ED: Gene, I have no interest in re fighting the Civil war. The south attacked the north a war ensued the north won the south lost.
And Gene, when you write "The northern enlistment of masses of immigrants seems to be a historical fact. The basic thing which allowed the North to ultimately prevail seems to be more bodies available to absorb the lead coming from the first modern weapons used in a large conflict"
you need to acknowledge that Both the North and South recruited immigrants The North was more successful in doing so,
And Gene
again you attempt to have me saying something I did not say, when you wrote "Your discription of the continued plight of a black former slave in the North sounds quite similar to current attitudes toward immigrants."
Ed: Where do you find me giving a "description of the plight of a black former slave in the North" ?
And when you G.S. say " At any rate, it doesn't sound like "arms wide open" to the person of color who ventured North. I would assume, at the least, there were opportunities there not to be had in the South, but it was limited."
Who ever said the North had "arms wide open" or suggested that opportunities where unlimited? Not I. I did note that many former slaves had skills knowledge and abilities that where readily marketable. I did fail to mention that in addition to white abolitionist the migrating former slaves where also assisted to some degree by blacks who had never been slaves and where already established in the north.
Ed: And Gene I did not suggest that the south had no industry prior to the war what I said was "Had the south made as much concerted effort in developing industry prior to the War as they did in executing the war, and began to learn to do after the war, war would not have needed to happen ."
Basically what I Here you saying is the South really screwed up in launching an attack they couldn't support.