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Jack Flanders, Marshall Frady and Paul Pressler

Postby Stephen Fox » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:04 am

Interesting turn in the comment line at ABP on Mohler and Biologos.
Will Campbell included in the story in what is taking on legendary status, Pressler's trek to see Jack Flanders at Baylor in regard People of the Covenant.
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Lesson from the Missouri Synod

Postby Stephen Fox » Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:24 am

Two good comments in comment thread of a REview of Burkee's book on Missouri Synod. See also Mark Noll thread in public policy forum of this site:

"Let's You and Him Fight"
Posted by Mick Lee at January 20, 2011 11:21
One of the more uncommented upon aspects of the “civil war” was how many bystanders outside Missouri were urging both sides with the “let’s-you-and-him-fight” game. The Missouri conservative/moderate/liberal fight served as a proxy war for those who wanted an open slug-fest for the trans-denominational traditionalist/modernists hostilities without actually having to bear the wounds and consequences themselves. There was latent sense among all Missouri Lutherans was that it was about more than the LCMS alone.

What is of some interest today is how many wax poetic and breakout in rhapsody at the memory exiting Concordia and the Missouri Synod. Perhaps they were too young to march for civil rights or protest the Vietnam War; but by golly they stood up for truth, conscience and integrity! Nonetheless, many of these same folk cry in their beer about “dividing the body of Christ”, “love and fellowship”, “unity in the greater, essential articles of faith” as many exit the ELCA post-CWA. Where were these concerns with the exodus from the LCMS? Shouldn’t Christian love overridden the theological disagreement that propelled so many to leave the Missouri Synod? Shouldn’t agreement in the essential things of the faith have been enough? After all, just how important IS the theory of evolution compared to the doctrine of the Trinity? If some brothers and sisters in the faith really believed the world was created in six days, shouldn’t you have held them in fellowship for the sake of the body of Christ anyway?

Time has marched on and images change in the rearview mirror. Maybe all would do well to view those conflagrations of long ago with a more skeptical eye.



"Let's You and Him Fight"
Posted by John Hannah at January 20, 2011 14:09
I think you are right on. Burkee would likely agree; his sub title is: "A Conflict That Changed American Christianity."


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Furman and Flanders update

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:29 pm

I blogged today about Flanders nuances for the Fall 2012 Furman Alum mag
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Lutheran Birchers and the Furman Margins

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:32 pm

Link here

http://www.lutheranforum.org/book-revie ... s-c-burkee

About the Birchers morphs nicely to the point I make today about Pressler and Furman framed in the Crespino new revelations about the Break with S.C. Baptists.

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Molly Worthen on Nelson Darby and Trump

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:21 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/proj ... p-prophecy

I remain convinced Molly is no fan of the fundamentalist takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention and understands the weight of Cecil Sherman's conversation with Bill Friday. I explained as much to a Liberty U Grad this morning, a staffer for NC US Senator Burr who I hope is defeated when Hillary takes North Carolina when all the votes are counted Nov 8.

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And Just in case Sandy and others don't get my drift

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:44 pm

Hard to figger Molly as a disciple or apologist for Jesse Helms and Paul Pressler or Paige PAtterson's time at SEBTS with this one:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/opini ... th-it.html
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Re: Jack Flanders, Marshall Frady and Paul Pressler

Postby William Thornton » Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:07 pm

It's a miracle! Years old topic resurrected...
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Definitive piece on Marshall Frady and Billy Graham

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:50 am

Graham was a thorn in the side of Progressive Baptists all through the 2nd half of the 20th Century. As Ive stated before Al Mohler boasted of Graham's role in the fundamentalist takeover of the SBC.

This article by the son of the Newsweek bureau chief in Atlanta in the 60s, Joe Cumming, reports the 9 page feature in Christianity Today when Frady's bio of Graham appeared in 79 attempting to discredit Frady.

In my book and the book of most thinking Baptists, Frady wins. Randall Balmer's dustup with Grant Wacker in the piece Billy Graham and the Judgments of History is the latest piece on the right side of history.

This 25 page article is a jewel. I hope Bruce Gourley, Willie Tee and others appreciate it

http://journalism.wlu.edu/CUMMING-Frady-Graham.pdf
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