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Criswell and Jeffress History exposed in this Trump Moment

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:49 pm

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Re: Criswell and Jeffress History exposed in this Trump Mome

Postby Rvaughn » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:13 pm

The article says, "In the 1968 convention, the SBC voted to integrate its churches and welcome all races to membership..." Anybody know what this actual vote was? Since the churches are autonomous the Convention couldn't vote to integrate them. Was this a recommendation/resolution? Something else?

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Re: Criswell and Jeffress History exposed in this Trump Mome

Postby Sandy » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:38 pm

I can't find anything that the SBC did in 1968 like that. Perhaps a resolution was passed encouraging churches to integrate, but the convention couldn't have forced churches to do so, though they could have required it of their institutions, the seminaries and mission boards. I can't find a resolution or motion to that effect in 1968, though.
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Re: Criswell and Jeffress History exposed in this Trump Mome

Postby Rvaughn » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:17 am

I think I found what that is referring to. In 1968 the SBC adopted "A Statement Concerning the Crisis in Our Nation". If that is what is referenced the Religion News Service writer overstates the case and probably doesn't even understand Baptist polity. (But this probably can be considered a turning point in the SBC's approach to race relations.) The statement can be read here:
http://baptiststudiesonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/a-statement-concerning-the-crisis-in-our-nation-_1968_.pdf
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Re: Criswell and Jeffress History exposed in this Trump Mome

Postby Dave Roberts » Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:36 am

Rvaughn wrote:I think I found what that is referring to. In 1968 the SBC adopted "A Statement Concerning the Crisis in Our Nation". If that is what is referenced the Religion News Service writer overstates the case and probably doesn't even understand Baptist polity. (But this probably can be considered a turning point in the SBC's approach to race relations.) The statement can be read here:
http://baptiststudiesonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/a-statement-concerning-the-crisis-in-our-nation-_1968_.pdf


After reading the statement and trying to put it into the context of that year, the nation was in political turmoil. The political assassination season was just beginning, and the city riots had certainly set folks on edge. In some ways, it seems more concerned with civil order than with racial justice. Integration is never mentioned in the statement, only cooperation with the "Negro conventions." It may be their reference, but the idea of racial justice was far from set. Most of the South was still in the grip of the White Citizens Councils.
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Re: Criswell and Jeffress History exposed in this Trump Mome

Postby Rvaughn » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:10 pm

Dave, I'm not real familiar with "A Statement Concerning the Crisis in Our Nation" and had some of the same feelings reading it as you (e.g. doesn't mention segregation or integration). I noticed books as varied as Twentieth-century Shapers of Baptist Social Ethics and The Baptist Story: From English Sect to Global Movement seem to think it deserves a great deal of emphasis in the evolution of the SBC and race relations.
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If Ravaughn in serious

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:38 pm

He will find Wuthnow's Rough Country asap and read it carefully.

And let me state again, the inside cabal of the Pressler/Patterson takeover were race men of the White Citizens Council Stripe. And those include Ed McAteer, Albert Lee Smith and Jesse Helms. The record is clear on that point, and through the nineties Richard Land played inside baseball with Karl Rove in advancing Lee Atwater's "****** memo". See Wuthnow on that point.
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Re: If Ravaughn in serious

Postby Sandy » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:05 am

Stephen Fox wrote:He will find Wuthnow's Rough Country asap and read it carefully.

And let me state again, the inside cabal of the Pressler/Patterson takeover were race men of the White Citizens Council Stripe. And those include Ed McAteer, Albert Lee Smith and Jesse Helms. The record is clear on that point, and through the nineties Richard Land played inside baseball with Karl Rove in advancing Lee Atwater's "****** memo". See Wuthnow on that point.


Does Wuthnow's Rough Country specifically mention the names you mention here? Does it provide corroboration for your claim that these individuals were members of White Citizens Councils, either the one's you've named or the "inside cabal" of the Pressler/Patterson "takeover"?

So, from Stephen's perspective, the conservative resurgence in the SBC happened
1. To plan and conduct the assassination of President John F. Kennedy
2. To turn the SBC into the right arm branch of the Republican party
3. To control recruiting and advance the fortunes of the football program at Auburn University
4, To advance the political career of Richard Land
5. To help Billy Graham and FBC Spartanburg, SC facilitate Trey Gowdy's investigation of the Benghazi embassy attack, and
6. To promote segregation and racism in churches of the SBC

That's more or less a summary of Stephen's posts. I may have missed something, since I noticed that I left out Molly Worthen somehow, and Balmer.
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