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Pope Francis opposes Jesse Helms; Sets Romero for Sainthood

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:23 pm

I'm about to blog on the matter. NPR announced this omorning Pope Francis was greenlighting Oscar Romero in the beatification process. Thus Helms, a key person in the shadows of the fundamentalist takeover of the SBC is 2 for 3 in the negative of the Christiam martyrs of the 20 Century in Westminster Abbey: King, Romero and Bonhoeffer. And had he lived Helms would most likely be in line with Rick Santorum, Frank Graham and other tea party rubes endorsing Eric Metaxas distorted bio of Bonhoeffer over the Gospel Charles Marsh has written.
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Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:37 pm

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Re: Pope Francis opposes Jesse Helms; Sets Romero for Sainth

Postby Sandy » Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:10 pm

I doubt that Pope Francis even knows who Jesse Helms was, and I doubt even more seriously that there was even a hair's breadth of effect on the sainthood process. If you're contending that the Pope's choices for beatification are wrapped up in attempts to get revenge against Jessie Helms, well, :lol: no wonder no one takes you seriously.

From Stephen's blog:

"...to dimwitted go alongs and massagers like Ed Young."

"And were Helms with us today he would be distoring the legacy of Dietrich Bonhoeffer like the Tea Party apologist Eric Metaxas."

Would you like to substantiate those claims? Yes, I know that such questions never get a response from Stephen, only re-direction and subterfuge, but at least I'm asking.
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Re: Pope Francis opposes Jesse Helms; Sets Romero for Sainth

Postby Ed Pettibone » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:00 pm

Ed: Interesting Sandy, you say no one pays attention to Fox, but you quote from his blog.
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Re: Pope Francis opposes Jesse Helms; Sets Romero for Sainth

Postby Ed Pettibone » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:02 pm

Ed: Interesting Sandy, you say no one takes Fox seriously, but you take time to link to his blog. :roll:
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Re: Pope Francis opposes Jesse Helms; Sets Romero for Sainth

Postby Sandy » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:46 am

Which one is it, Ed? I didn't say "no one pays attention to Fox," I said he needs to strengthen his credibility if he expects anyone to take him seriously. Big difference there. He makes completely unrelated and bogus statements, and then posts a reference to his blog without a citation. Seems to me the purpose of his post isn't to contribute to, or participate in a discussion here, but to draw readers to his blog, something he's hinted at in references to the hit count on some of the threads here where he's the only one posting. Seems that's a bit outside the parameters for posts here, though I understand the need for flexibility.

Perhaps I should start dropping names to get attention to my posts, and include links to, but not comments from, my blog, to promote its readership. :wink:
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Re: Pope Francis opposes Jesse Helms; Sets Romero for Sainth

Postby Ed Pettibone » Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:16 pm

Sandy wrote:Which one is it, Ed? I didn't say "no one pays attention to Fox," I said he needs to strengthen his credibility if he expects anyone to take him seriously. Big difference there. He makes completely unrelated and bogus statements, and then posts a reference to his blog without a citation. Seems to me the purpose of his post isn't to contribute to, or participate in a discussion here, but to draw readers to his blog, something he's hinted at in references to the hit count on some of the threads here where he's the only one posting. Seems that's a bit outside the parameters for posts here, though I understand the need for flexibility.

Perhaps I should start dropping names to get attention to my posts, and include links to, but not comments from, my blog, to promote its readership. :wink:


Ed: If you note carefully Sandy, the second was posted as a correction two min after the first . I thought I had deleted the first , I am not sure what happened. What you actually said, that I question is, " If you're contending that the Pope's choices for beatification are wrapped up in attempts to get revenge against Jessie Helms, well, :lol: no wonder no one takes you seriously", particularly that, last phrase. Personally, I think you may have read something into Steve's post that he neither said or implied.

Also, where do you find the parameters for post on this site.which you believe Steve is violating? On the other hand I believe your rebuff "... no one takes you seriously" violate the BL.C rule #2. The rational for that rule is stated in the last sentence " Christ makes it clear that we are to love one another; accordingly, please do not speak derogatorily of individuals or people groups. ".
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Re: Pope Francis opposes Jesse Helms; Sets Romero for Sainth

Postby dmorgan » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:09 am

Pope Francis has many issues, but Jesse Helms ain't one of them. His Holiness is a product of a liberal Jesuit education and liberation theology. The Jesuits of the 1950s jettisoned Thomistic philosophy and embraced the heretical teachings of Kant, Von Balthasar et al. Add that to the liberation theology tainted with Marxist errors and there you have it.He has little time on his docket for reigning in pederast Bishops and heretical Priests, but He never seems to miss an opportunity to address social issues. His encyclical on the environment is a rambling disaster of a little bit of traditional teachings encased in a whole lot of UN one world garbage. Add to this the upcoming round 2 of the Synod on the Family in October, and we may see a major fracture develop in the Catholic Church.
I maintain that it is no accident that at this moment in history Obama is President and Francis is Pope, and Islam is on the march.
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Re: Pope Francis opposes Jesse Helms; Sets Romero for Sainth

Postby Tim Bonney » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:42 am

dmorgan wrote: I maintain that it is no accident that at this moment in history Obama is President and Francis is Pope, and Islam is on the march.


Yes, I think God may be behind the first two and US interventionist policies in the middle contribute to the last.

Francis sounds a lot more like Jesus than he does Marx on most issues. Obama is a Christian despite all the silly propaganda trying to make him out as a Muslim.
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Re: Pope Francis opposes Jesse Helms; Sets Romero for Sainth

Postby dmorgan » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:58 pm

Timothy Bonney wrote:
dmorgan wrote: I maintain that it is no accident that at this moment in history Obama is President and Francis is Pope, and Islam is on the march.


Yes, I think God may be behind the first two and US interventionist policies in the middle contribute to the last.

Francis sounds a lot more like Jesus than he does Marx on most issues. Obama is a Christian despite all the silly propaganda trying to make him out as a Muslim.


Tim sometimes Francis sounds like Mathew 25, and sometimes he sounds like Karl Marx. He is all over the place, and his picks for advisors leaves much to be desired.
As to Obama being a Christian, i must respectfully disagree. When an Illinois senator he voted in favor of partial birth abortion. He has staunchly supported abortion as president, and his support for the sodomites is quite clear. One can claim to be a Christian, but the fruit gives one away.
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Re: Pope Francis opposes Jesse Helms; Sets Romero for Sainth

Postby Tim Bonney » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:57 pm

dmorgan wrote: As to Obama being a Christian, i must respectfully disagree. When an Illinois senator he voted in favor of partial birth abortion. He has staunchly supported abortion as president, and his support for the sodomites is quite clear. One can claim to be a Christian, but the fruit gives one away.


I hate to bust your bubble. But a lot of Christian denominations and individual Christians support reproductive rights and rights for LGBT people including the denomination that the President had been a part of, the UCC, until he entered the White House.

Sadly conservative Christians have added new doctrines to the Bible and the ancient creeds by making specific positions on abortion and homosexuality salvation issues. That's not Biblically supportable.

I find nothing more annoying that someone running around telling other Christians that they really aren't Christians because they may happen to disagree with your pet doctrines.
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Re: Pope Francis opposes Jesse Helms; Sets Romero for Sainth

Postby Haruo » Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:08 pm

People who, like dmorgan, use the mediæval Catholic term 'sodomites' to refer to homosexuals always make me wonder. Dmorgan, are you a KJBO supporter? Why do you use this patently ridiculous term, which misconstrues both the nature of nonheterosexually oriented people and the basic sin of Sodom by mistranslating a Hebrew term that refers to neither?
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Re: Pope Francis opposes Jesse Helms; Sets Romero for Sainth

Postby KeithE » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:07 am

dmorgan wrote: .... but He {Pope Francis} never seems to miss an opportunity to address social issues. His encyclical on the environment is a rambling disaster of a little bit of traditional teachings encased in a whole lot of UN one world garbage. Add to this the upcoming round 2 of the Synod on the Family in October, and we may see a major fracture develop in the Catholic Church.


Kinda like Jesus - addressing social issues.

"Rambling disaster” - I’m hearing more rumbling disasters, floods while some areas are stuck in drought/wildfires

“UN one world garbage” - you’ll have to point me to the Pope’s use of "UN, one world garbage”. Until then I see him being guided by the Holy Spirit and learning about the environment from the UN’s IPCC and from climatologists (97% of which say we have human-caused problem that needs immediate addressing). {Oh I can hear the “rumblings” and “ramblings” coming from DF (if he reads this forum).}

“Upcoming round 2 of the Synod of the Family in October” - the Pope has called for prayer and less gossip/chatter wrt this Synod.

To complete this mission, the Pope continued, there is great need for prayer, prayer which is full of love for the family and for life. For that reason, Pope Francis asked for a great renewal of our prayers for the upcoming Synod of Bishops on the Family, set for next October. “I would like for this prayer, and the whole Synod journey, to be animated by the compassion of the Good Shepherd for His flock, especially for persons and families that, for different reasons, are ‘troubled and abandoned, like sheep without a shepherd’.” Everyone, from the Pope to the lay faithful, are called to pray for the Synod. There is great need for prayer, he repeated, and not for gossip or chatter.

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