Was the cabal of Adrian Rogers, McAteer, Pressler Extremist?

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Sandy missed Balmer's word "rooted"

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:01 pm

Sandy, you raise some salient points, however anachronistically.

Balmer said they were rooted in the perpetuation of racism. Again you have to go no further than a look at Pressler's inner circle in the Takeover days to see the network hardwired to White Citizens Council, Birch Society leftovers and my litany of bad actors William Thornton loves so much to hear my repeat and memorized by now :lol: :lol: :brick: :brick:

Still, again, you haven't been doing the remedial reading. Wuthnow spells it out beautifully how Atwaters racism of Pressler's inner circle morphed into the abortion and other aspects of the religion card. Pressler's obsession with James Dunn is Exhibit A and the campaign fundy leadership adopted to dispose of President Carter. Read Balmer's biography on the subject.

So Balmer takes you on this one.

At one point not long ago I said some kind things about David Rogers in an email to Balmer. He replied it appears he is a better man than his father.

The sad fact remains, Russell Moore and recently Bryant Wright on 60 Minutes and his church's embrace of 7 Syrian Refugee families; Folks like them would not have the platform for anecdotal stories of their redemption had they not been elevated by the bad actors like the fundy leadership of the takeover.

History is what it is. I tried to explain it today to Jon Meacham and his NY Times oped piece on Bush 41.

It's a tough row. I appreciate your eloquent replies. I just wish they had more substance.
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Re: Was the cabal of Adrian Rogers, McAteer, Pressler Extrem

Postby Sandy » Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:04 am

Stephen Fox wrote:History is what it is.


Yes it is. And the points you are making regarding the SBC are tainted by the passing of time, and a memory that has created a remembrance of things that is a distortion of reality, and irrelevant to the present. Long time ago, different galaxy.
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Jack Chick, David Barton and the fundy takeover

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:02 pm

Tin foil hats Bonney, Thornton and Sandy continue to play the same game with Campus Crusade and Jack Chick they do with all my other research on the fundy takeover of the SBC.

Julie Ingersoll has a good answer for all of them in her exploration of David Barton with his many reverberations for FBC Spartanburg, Trey Gowdy and Rick and Bubba and Yellowhammer News of Alabama.

In her book on the Recons Building God's Kingdom with her investigations and rabbit trails of the Recon Network--Nelson Price and Shorter College takeover at the heart of it--here is what she says about Barton, a force in the state house of Bama among other places

Quoting page 208: There are those who continue to dismiss these associations as "guilt by association". My interest is in tracing the intellectual history and sociology of knowledge. While the Tea Party is a confluence of a number of ideological strands in American politics, the ties between them and the Recons are more substantial than the fact that a particular leader has been invited to speak to groups with whom he agrees. The ties between the .....Tea Party, The Const Party (and here sfox adds Trey Gowdy and Rick and Bubba and Nelson Price) and the Recons are significantly revealed in the formulation of their views, just not who they know
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Re: Was the cabal of Adrian Rogers, McAteer, Pressler Extrem

Postby William Thornton » Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:07 am

What? You and Molly Worthen break up?
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Tin Foil Hat Brigade

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:15 pm

http://religiondispatches.org/before-br ... -politics/

Will especially like Miller's reponse in the paragraph below the book promo. Paraphrase, Manion was a Bircher and he sits on the Board of the National Review.........
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Re: Tin Foil Hat Brigade

Postby Sandy » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:42 pm

Stephen Fox wrote:http://religiondispatches.org/before-breitbart-how-right-wing-media-transformed-american-politics/

Will especially like Miller's reponse in the paragraph below the book promo. Paraphrase, Manion was a Bircher and he sits on the Board of the National Review.........


Good article. I've always thought that the right wing media, particularly Limbaugh, Roger Ailes and Hannity, once they discovered how to rake in the bucks from finding a niche to feed, are largely responsible for the slide into the current disgusting state of politics, that slings crap around, and broadcasts anything it thinks will hurt those who don't agree with them whether its true or not. They also happen to be men who treat women like property, and can't seem to keep their pants zipped up when they're around them, married or not, or stay with the same one when another one comes along. I guess that's why they like Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani and Newt Gingrich so much. But...

Nothing there has anything to do with the conservative resurgence/fundamentalist takeover of the SBC, nor does it prove any particular alliances existed for the purpose of helping the takeover. There's also an article there to click that shows white Evangelical support for Trump is down well below the levels that Romney got, which sort of blows holes in Stephen's theory. Here's a link http://religiondispatches.org/trumps-le ... ght-think/
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I beg to differ

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:10 pm

Pressler and Helms network worked in concert with all these fellows and then Richard Land through Karl Rove. But I cannot convince the Tin Foil Hat brigade on this board.

I hope you can make time for Julie Ingersoll's Building God's Kingdom. Nelson Price should hold a seminar at Shorter for academic integrity's sake and invite the staff of FBC Spartanburg.
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Betsy Devos Pressler's Dream come true

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:19 am

From his old Council for National Policy Birch Society Hot bed

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk ... -secretary
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More evidence

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:23 am

Click on the Neil Young? Mouw links in this piece.

More evidence I have been right all along on the motivations of Pressler's inner circle and his passion in the Takeover

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivis ... -dead-end/

The 1965 story on Billy Graham's father in law Nelson Bell and Selma is instructive indeed
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