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Re: Billy Graham's Legacy in Serious Question

Postby Sandy » Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:22 am

David Flick wrote:If I chose my reading material on the basis of what you consider "worthwhile," I'd be a very miserable person.


:lol:

You'd be reading the same stuff over and over, and attempting to apply it to every subject. I don't know about yours, but my hometown newspaper is far more interesting to me than some of his recommendations. And on occasion, it is more intellectual as well. :wink:
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Re: Billy Graham's Legacy in Serious Question

Postby David Flick » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:03 am

David Flick wrote:If I chose my reading material on the basis of what you consider "worthwhile," I'd be a very miserable person.
    Sandy wrote: :lol:

    1You'd be reading the same stuff over and over, and attempting to apply it to every subject. 2I don't know about yours, but my hometown newspaper is far more interesting to me than some of his recommendations. 3And on occasion, it is more intellectual as well. :wink:

      1) Bingo! On both counts...
      2) Absolutely... Not only more interesting, but more informative...
      3) Very true...
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Flick and Sandy

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:47 pm

They sadden me.

David do tell Effie and your daughter about The Heathen School by John Demos. give them a chance. I think they may like it even if you persist in your ignorance and comic books.
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Billy Graham in Nebraska, Top Down or Bottom Up

Postby Stephen Fox » Wed May 21, 2014 2:02 pm

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Jerry Boykin and the BGEA

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:23 pm

http://billygraham.org/decision-magazin ... -warriors/
Also see public policy discussion about the Life and Liberty seminar at FBC Spartanburg, S.C. Where Billy Graham's currently has membership
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Re: Billy Graham's Legacy in Serious Question

Postby Sandy » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:40 pm

Just because a particular organization rents a church facility for a conference does not lead to the conclusion that one of the church's members specifically endorses it. It is completely irrelevant that Billy Graham is a member of the church whose building is being used for the Life and Liberty conference. You need to be consistent with the Baptist philosophy you express in which no one Baptist speaks for any other Baptist, and apply that to Billy Graham. His membership in FBC Spartanburg constitutes no particular endorsement of any specific church policy, doctrine, or statement.
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Roll Call

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:15 pm

Among scholars of the evangelical experience in America whom I am convinced would see Sandy's misleading view of priesthood of believer and what's going on with the seminar at FBC Sburg as sophomoric at best ARE:

Notre Dame's Mark Noll

Dartmouth's Randall Balmer

Wake Forest President Nathan Hatch

Darren Dochuk

Dan Williams

Steven Miller. Miller recently wrote of the relationship between Nixon and Billy Graham
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Re: Roll Call

Postby Sandy » Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:07 pm

Stephen Fox wrote:Among scholars of the evangelical experience in America whom I am convinced would see Sandy's misleading view of priesthood of believer and what's going on with the seminar at FBC Sburg as sophomoric at best ARE:

Notre Dame's Mark Noll

Dartmouth's Randall Balmer

Wake Forest President Nathan Hatch

Darren Dochuk

Dan Williams

Steven Miller. Miller recently wrote of the relationship between Nixon and Billy Graham


I had to chuckle just a bit at the suggestion that the North Greenville University Life and Liberty Conference (not the FBC Spartanburg Life and Liberty Conference as you keep insisting) is "sophomoric." Coming from one who attempts to make connections where none exists for the purpose of attaching the connection to someone's reputation or theology, I find that just a bit amusing.

"Scholars of the Evangelical Experience in America?" I'll go along with "Self-proclaimed scholars," or "pseudo-scholars." You can write about the evangelical experience all you want, being a self-proclaimed "scholar" on the subject doesn't mean your work will be taken seriously, least of all by those about whom you are writing.
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Molly Worthen gets it 90 per cent right

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:16 pm

I raised ten per cent reservations on her facebook wall where I saw this about 20 mins ago:

https://www.facebook.com/worthen?fref=nf
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Also Doug Cumming

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:54 pm

Cumming whose father was Marshall Frady's boos at Newsweek in the 60s has a jewel of a piece in the fall 2014 Literary Journalism Studies mag about the creation of the Frady 79 bio of Graham. The Bgea fought him over technicalities.

Cumming says Frady found in Graham a "distilled" innocence reflecting the immaturity of post war America that was a danger to the Christian faith.

Sandy, read the article for context.

Here is Molly Worthen's piece that went up today on her facebook wall

http://www.thenation.com/article/196969 ... oilerplate
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Hope to have my Legacy Changing blog up this afternoon

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:07 pm

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Franklin and Robert Jeffress on ISIS on Fox News

Postby Stephen Fox » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:23 pm

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Nixon's line of succession

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Jun 16, 2015 6:28 pm

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolit ... -the-world

Listen to the the end of this interview when Nixon consider's his line of succession.

Agnew

A Drunk

Plantation man James Eastland of Mississippi

And the German Henry Kissinger

All Sanctified by Billy Graham
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Wil Graham

Postby Stephen Fox » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:29 pm

I heard Billy's grandson Wil preach on TV this morning from 1st Samuel. If tempted you could almost past him off as a polished up bumpkin, but I found myself moved by his humility, honesty, authenticity and love for the Gospel. I hope he read Molly Worthen, but for a moment this morning there was some redemption for his father's network to the Nixon administration and Harry Dent's Southern Strategy.
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Mohler interviews Wacker on Billy Graham

Postby Stephen Fox » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:53 pm

http://www.albertmohler.com/2015/05/18/ ... -wacker-2/

Mohler tells Wacker Graham much more involved in the fundy takeover of the SBC than Wacker coulda imagined, nor reported.

Graham shyed away from entanglements over inerrancy. Didn't seem to phase Mohler though Mohler's whole career stands on inerrancy, though Mohler says its not the whole story

Mohler says in 93 Graham told him Mohler; Graham made it clear that he expected Moher to stand for inerrancy . And Mohler mentions in 84 and 87 Graham took the fundy side in the SBC takeover. Wacker begs off the significance. Wacker said he never consciously dissimulated.

Wacker says Graham was conservative but didn't want to break fellowship. I think WAcker is naïve. Mohler also pushes the question and suggests Graham more calculating.

Mohler pushes to document entrepreneur and architect. Mohler promotes Carl Henry
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Jonathan Merritt on Billy Graham

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:27 am

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Wheaton and Holmes

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:35 pm

Franklin has come to Wheaton's defense

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... or/421029/

And Stephen Holmes took Franklin's measure at ed.com earlier this week. The facebook chat on ed.com home wall is interesting.
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Mohler said Billy Graham

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:38 pm

was big influence on the fundamentalist side in the SBC takeover.

As such he swims in this conversation with Russ Moore and Al Mohler on his alma mater, Wheaton

Also see evolving chat at SBC Trends

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/20/460496144 ... n-theology
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balmer definitive

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:32 pm

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Worlds of Billy Gee

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:53 pm

Most exhaustive Ive seen to date.

Still looking for Miller's presentation on Frady on Graham, Through Welkin Eyes.

But for the record

And it is my understanding Harvard Press is to publish an anthology of this event but I can't find it to date. I have the Furman Library looking

http://www.resourcingchristianity.org/s ... _Essay.pdf
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Johnny Pierce and Franklin Graham

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:11 pm

Pierce repeatedly invokes Frank's name about the underbelly of the religious right in his most recent blog on the eve of our 2016 Presidential election at Nurturing Faith.
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The Making of Frady's Billy Graham

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:23 am

Doug Cumming is the son of Joe Cumming the Newsweek bureau chief in Atlanta in the 60s where Furman grad(63) Marshall Frady blossomed. Having access to Frady's papers in the Emory archives. Doug wrote this portrait of the process of Frady's magisterial bio of Graham Parable of American Righteousness in 2014

http://journalism.wlu.edu/CUMMING-Frady-Graham.pdf
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Alan Bean on Billy Gee and Chuck Templeton, The Goldust twin

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:18 pm

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Re: Alan Bean on Billy Gee and Chuck Templeton, The Goldust

Postby KeithE » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:09 am

Stephen Fox wrote:https://friendsofjustice.wordpress.com/2015/08/03/billy-grahams-shadow-chuck-templeton-and-the-crisis-of-american-religion/

Good article Stephen. Keep them coming.

Reminds me of my best friend growing up (Tom Carter) and discussions we had about biblical inerrancy while he was at Fuller Seminary. He had often said he wanted to be the next Billy Graham from the time he was in High School. Intellectually he wrestled with inerrancy (especially several OT instructions, as I remember) but finally decided (during a drive home on I-5) that he would be more effective as a preacher if he did believe in inerrancy. It was a pragmatic decision. He’s been a Baptist preacher at the same church in a small California town for about 35 years.

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Interesting piece on billy Graham's father in law

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:46 pm

in light of the recent conversation about the Sarah Pulliam Bailey piece in the Wash Post about the complicated billy Gees. It failed to consult Randall balmer and she is catching flack on her facebook wall about that, but it did reveal that Billy's granddaughter Jerushah Tchvidjian is straying off the Trump Reservation if ever so slightly

Nelson Bell who prohibited Christianity Today from covering the Selma march in 1965

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivis ... e-fathers/
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