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W.A. Criswell and the Kennedy Assassination

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:13 pm

As many of us who would like to place Walley Amos on the Grassy Knoll I've yet to see the proof. But I am aware in this year of the 50th Anniversary there is a new book titled Dallas, 1963 that explores the underbelly of the Hunt Brothers, Texas Oil and all the forces that shaped Criswell's World view of that time, many of whom wanted Kennedy dead. And Wally was convinced Catholics were an infidel religion.

I hope to read that book, but there are still mysteries remaining about the Warren Commission that are much more legitimate than Oliver Stone's movie on that day. NPR had a most interesting 45 minutes this afternoon and this is worth listening to online.

I got two other books to read before this one, but plan to hit the highlights when I can get to it


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What Criswell Missed and Marney woulda seen

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:33 pm

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Dalas and the Mink Coat Riot

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:08 pm

LBJ and Lady Bird in peril in Criswell's back yard:

http://www.npr.org/2013/10/09/228181831 ... c-hysteria
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Re: W.A. Criswell and the Kennedy Assassination

Postby William Thornton » Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:56 pm

Criswell didn't do it.
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Grassy Noll

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:25 pm

WA might notta pulled the trigger but if you look closely you see ayoung Jerry Vines and Adrian Rogers on the Grassy Noll.

Read the Dallas 1963 book; Criswell clearly implicated in Spirit in the Mink Mob Riot.

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Re: W.A. Criswell and the Kennedy Assassination

Postby Ed Pettibone » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:39 am

William Thornton wrote:Criswell didn't do it.


Ed: Thank you William. Fox tops KeithE on conspiracy theories.
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Re: W.A. Criswell and the Kennedy Assassination

Postby David Flick » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:42 pm

William Thornton wrote:Criswell didn't do it.

    Ed Pettibone wrote:Ed: Thank you William. Fox tops KeithE on conspiracy theories.
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Dallas 1963

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:18 pm

Got word today a local library is holding the book for me. Anxious to read it, that is if I can navigate some local intrigue sparked by a comment I made about Mike Huckabee. It gets curiouser and curiouser.

FTR I believe in the Lone Gunman, though the new book on the Warren Commission does document a lot of miscues from Earl Warren himself to the autopsy report to an easy prevention of the murder had J Edgar Hoover not been so inept with info he had from the Soviet and Cuban embassy in Mexico City.
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Re: W.A. Criswell and the Kennedy Assassination

Postby KeithE » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:56 am

I have no info tying Criswell to Kennedy’s Aasassination and yes I believe it was an assassination.

Best book that I have is JFK and the Unspeakable.

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Re: W.A. Criswell and the Kennedy Assassination

Postby Sandy » Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:18 pm

I'm looking forward to reading Stephen's book, when it is published. Titled How To Connect Dots on the Opposite Ends of the Universe.
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Dallas 1963 by Steven Davis

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:28 pm

and cowriter. Got a copy in my hands last night and been reading intensely the last 14 hours or so with a break for the Methodist annual soup luncheon.

Sandy while you're waiting on my book--btw I am set to be published this coming spring--go ahead and read about the Criswell's Bircher network while Billy Graham sang Dixie in the 60s at FBC Dallas. Riveeting book from the Dallas Righteous Indignation Concention to Dallas Morn News Dealey of Dealey Plaza harangue of Kennedy at the White House; as boorish as Pressler crashing James Dunn's meeting with Bush 41.

For sure, Sandy, your bunch, had precedent in the Takeover.
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Re: W.A. Criswell and the Kennedy Assassination

Postby William Thornton » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:41 pm

Criswell still didn't do it. Why not go after the 911 conspiracy instead. It will be much more fun.
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Serious reading

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:45 pm

William, Criswell didn't pull the trigger just like Wallace didn't ignite the dynamite that killed the four Little Girls in Bham but they are responsible. This is a serious book and I hope you will read it for Yates Frady and myself. Tomorrow, this weekend is Marshall Frady's 63 Furman class Reunion. I wanted to go, tried to goad them into having a Frady symposium to counteract all the poison Billy Graham's grandson Tully is sending to me and Frady's alma mater from his Westminster Christian School adjunct to Coral Ridge. Criswell's Birchism lives on in the Coral Ridge sends to Furman.
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Dallas Morn News Review names Criswell a "racist"

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:52 pm

And that folks is what the Godfather of the fundamentalist takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention was. This scorching book leaves no outstanding questions on Criswell unanswered:

http://www.dallasnews.com/entertainment ... -davis.ece
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Sterling NPR chat this morning on Criswell author

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:22 pm

www.drshow.org the first hour today. I made a comment there, Minutaglio co writer of Dallas 1963 which explores Criswell systematically, was on panel with UVA's Sabato and and Pulitzer Dallek to discuss the assassination and legacy of JFK.
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Re: Grassy Noll

Postby ET » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:05 pm

Stephen Fox wrote:WA might notta pulled the trigger but if you look closely you see ayoung Jerry Vines and Adrian Rogers on the Grassy Noll.

Fox, I say :horse: in regards to such a comment.
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Re: Grassy Noll

Postby Haruo » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:39 pm

ET wrote:
Stephen Fox wrote:WA might notta pulled the trigger but if you look closely you see ayoung Jerry Vines and Adrian Rogers on the Grassy Noll.

Fox, I say :horse: in regards to such a comment.

I think I agree with you this once, ET!
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Re: W.A. Criswell and the Kennedy Assassination

Postby ET » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:14 pm

I will also note here that none of the most common conspiracy theories have anything to do with the atmosphere in Dallas. USAToday has them here. The Mob, the CIA, LBJ do not require some hotbed of political tension to carry things out. Only with #5 might that be a factor.

If I were to pick one - and I don't ever bother with conspiracy theories - I would say the Commies capped him....then LBJ didn't want to go to war with the probable nuclear implications and covered it up/redirected guilt.

But I don't really care. I just get sicked and tired about all the fuss over the guy. Get over it. Dude got capped. America's been there, done that three or four times before. In all likelihood he probably won't be the last.

And if this is true (from your NPR linked article):
Kennedy, by contrast, was still seen as a king of divine right out of the seventeenth century—the subject of endless reverie about his capacity to renew the world...
***
The nation really did get turned inside out when Kennedy was killed, as nations do at the death of kings.

If Kennedy was really viewed by Americans as some form of a king or a leader with such powers to "renew the world", then it was good for America to be rudely awakened from that delusion. The last thing I desire to see in this country is such faith in one man in one office to do such things. That is the very antithesis of the original intent of the office. Power was to be vested in the people (House and Senate), not some rube in a white house. We are to be a self-governing people, not led by some moron (relative to the collective wisdom and knowledge of all Americans) with an "R" or a "D" next to their name.

Such sentiments kinda remind me of man's attitude about himself leading up to the Tower of Babel. "We shall build for ourselves a new world....."
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Super transcript

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:00 pm

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Dallas UMC minister stood in the gap

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:51 pm

Proud of my fellow Furman grad Sam Hodges for this report. I fwded the link to Randall Balmer of Dartmouth, upcoming biographer of President Jimmy Carter; Curtis Freeman of Duke Divinity School and Sam and my chaplain at Furman, Jim Pitts, the son of Nixon's barber. All of us are proud of Sam for this deserving remembrance of a Methodist minister who made a difference.
I've recently read Minutaglio and Davis book Dallas 1963, and for 20 years or so been intrigued by the racism of FBC Dallas pastor W.A. Criswell. It is good to know there were other voices in Dallas then.
And for the record children cheering the death of President Kennedy or calling him a "niigger lover" were not uncommon on that day. As a 5th grader in Upstate S.C. I heard the latter with my own ears when school was dismissed that day at 2:15 a short time after Walter Cronkite told the nation the President was dead.
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Furman Sam Hodges Report on Rev Holmes Dallas Nov 24

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:54 pm

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Kennedys on Texas art

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:24 pm

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Re: W.A. Criswell and the Kennedy Assassination

Postby ET » Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:40 am

Well, Fox, since you keep on with the "drive-by hyperlinking", I'll add this:

I heard something discussed in the last week or so that makes sense. All this talk about the "right wing extremist" stuff in Dallas is just a deflection by the political left because they can't deal with the fact that an agent of the hard left - a communist - was the one who killed Kennedy.

This line of thinking parallels the attempt by some lefties - such as Bruce has done before - to argue that Hitler was a "religious right winger". Yet fascism is a philosophy of the left, of Big Government. Fascism and communism just differ in what they control, but both seek more control and less freedom over the populace, all in the name of the "common good" of the country, of the "motherland", of the "fatherland". Contrarily, those "extremist" laissez faire folks, the Tea Party folks and others holding to a limited government philosophy that are denigrated by a list of folks here champion less government control over both the economy and the citizen. So on one hard the lefties will try to associate the right with something more akin to anarchy and, I guess when it suits them, will at other times attempt to associate the right with Big Government control freaks.

The current incarnation of a Big Government control-freak is going on down in Venzuela. Venezuela seizes more stores ahead of local elections. Without mentioning any names, I think there are at least one or two board members who dream of such abilities for our leaders.

But back to Kennedy getting shot. The lefties' brains cannot process that it was one of their own who shot Kennedy, so they gotta go to great lengths to try to spin-and-pin it on their small-government political adversaries.
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Re: W.A. Criswell and the Kennedy Assassination

Postby Sandy » Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:17 am

ET wrote:I will also note here that none of the most common conspiracy theories have anything to do with the atmosphere in Dallas. USAToday has them here. The Mob, the CIA, LBJ do not require some hotbed of political tension to carry things out. Only with #5 might that be a factor.

If I were to pick one - and I don't ever bother with conspiracy theories - I would say the Commies capped him....then LBJ didn't want to go to war with the probable nuclear implications and covered it up/redirected guilt.

But I don't really care. I just get sicked and tired about all the fuss over the guy. Get over it. Dude got capped. America's been there, done that three or four times before. In all likelihood he probably won't be the last.

And if this is true (from your NPR linked article):
Kennedy, by contrast, was still seen as a king of divine right out of the seventeenth century—the subject of endless reverie about his capacity to renew the world...
***
The nation really did get turned inside out when Kennedy was killed, as nations do at the death of kings.

If Kennedy was really viewed by Americans as some form of a king or a leader with such powers to "renew the world", then it was good for America to be rudely awakened from that delusion. The last thing I desire to see in this country is such faith in one man in one office to do such things. That is the very antithesis of the original intent of the office. Power was to be vested in the people (House and Senate), not some rube in a white house. We are to be a self-governing people, not led by some moron (relative to the collective wisdom and knowledge of all Americans) with an "R" or a "D" next to their name.

Such sentiments kinda remind me of man's attitude about himself leading up to the Tower of Babel. "We shall build for ourselves a new world....."


From Stephen we have "Criswell Did It (because he was probably conspiring with Billy Graham and FBC Spartanburg)" and from ET we have the "Extremist Right Wing Southerner's Interpretation of the Constitution and the Kennedy Assasination."

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Re: W.A. Criswell and the Kennedy Assassination

Postby ET » Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:15 pm

I'll say this. You are always consistent, Sandy. Your answer is true to form. You would have been a great editor of Pravda back in the day.
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