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Postby Bruce Gourley » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:47 am

I like this church model - in Raleigh, NC, In This Coffee Shop, the Service is Divine.
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Re: I Like This Church Model!

Postby David Flick » Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:59 pm

Bruce Gourley wrote:I like this church model - in Raleigh, NC, In This Coffee Shop, the Service is Divine.

I like it as well, but seriously doubt that it can gain wide spread popularity. Such a model would never work in rural areas or among people with lower incomes. I can't imagine a model like this ever being used among Native Americans. Wrong culture...
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Re: I Like This Church Model!

Postby Ed Pettibone » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:41 am

David Flick wrote:
Bruce Gourley wrote:I like this church model - in Raleigh, NC, In This Coffee Shop, the Service is Divine.

I like it as well, but seriously doubt that it can gain wide spread popularity. Such a model would never work in rural areas or among people with lower incomes. I can't imagine a model like this ever being used among Native Americans. Wrong culture...


Ed: I have mixed emotions about this being a "model" but I have no doubt that it meets the needs of some.

I do wonder why the story focused on a "traditional family", I think this would have vastly more appeal to singles. And need I remind any one here that singles comprise some where around 50 percent of the population.

And David, I think it could thrive in some small rural communities, sort of a replacement for the old general store with the original cracker barrel .
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Re: I Like This Church Model!

Postby Bruce Gourley » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:20 am

I do not think any one church model is suitable for all situations, but agree with Ed that a coffee house model can work in rural communities (maybe not in a farmhouse or ranchhouse, but certainly in quite small, rural towns) and with David that it would not work among Native Americans.
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Re: I Like This Church Model!

Postby Mark » Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:16 pm

Flick wrote:Ican't imagine a model like this ever being used among Native Americans. Wrong culture...

Bruce wrote:it would not work among Native Americans....

How come?

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Re: I Like This Church Model!

Postby Dave Roberts » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:48 am

One of the fascinating things about church life today is that we are developing a great deal more variety. At one time, the cookie cutter mentality had fallen on most churches, and the creation of a new church was simply exporting the culture of the mother church. I like the idea that churches can grow without having to be alike.
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Re: I Like This Church Model!

Postby David Flick » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:33 am

Mark wrote:
Flick wrote:I can't imagine a model like this ever being used among Native Americans. Wrong culture...

Bruce wrote:it would not work among Native Americans....

How come?

Mark (who has seen an Indian once or twice)

Well, Mark, Coffee house stuff is totally foreign to Native American culture. I don't recall ever ever being in a cafe or a restaurant that was owned by a Native American. Native American don't socialize/fellowship over coffee and donuts. It's just not part of our culture. In the last 8 years since I became pastor of my little church, I've pretty much quit "doing coffee" with anyone. Yes, Native Americans do drink coffee, but almost always it's part of a dinner or a feast of some kind and never as a means of fellowship. The Oklahoma Cheyenne & Arapaho Tribes have a small cafe in the administrative building at Tribal head quarters in Concho. The proprietor is a white guy. He's the only white guy that works in the building. Coffee is barely on the menu.

Anyway, the primary reason a model like the one in the story Bruce linked to wouldn't work among Native Americans is that it's not part of our culture. You couldn't build a meaningful ministry among Native Americans with a coffee house ministry. I've never seen it done. We do have a few soup kitchen type ministries no coffee house ministries...
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Re: I Like This Church Model!

Postby Mrs Haruo » Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:05 am

I can certainly see this working in Seattle! I know of several families who want to spend their weekend time TOGETHER, because both parents work during the week, and kids are in daycare, many young families nowdays ( at least in our area) are composed of young parents who never went to church growing up, and are feeling a need for what they missed, and are on the same level as the kids as far as Bible knowledge. A format where the whole family learns together in a relaxed setting sounds pretty appealing to me. We have a midweek Bible Study on Wed afternoons and evening, and have several folks who attend who never show up on Sunday because they work weekends, or live outside of town and drop by on the way home from work one day a week. " Thinking outside the box" is something more churches need to try. That's my story and I am sticking to it.
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Re: I Like This Church Model!

Postby Cathy » Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:13 pm

Sounds interesting to me as well, Bruce. Particularly since my kids are 12 or older.

I think Flathead county has lots more Baptists than your area. I know there are at least three SBC churches of a fair size. There are lots of independent Baptist churches as well.

First Baptist Kalispell is tiny and is short of young people so my 12 year old will probably find it a hard fit for her. On the other hand she seems willing to give it a try. The location is good for me when visiting my husband. It is close to the hospital so will be an important point in choosing a house. I know Texas Baptists that go to FBC Big Fork a GARBC church! I presently am leaning toward a house between Whitefish and Kalispell. However FBC Whitefish seems to be an independent church.

A lutheran and episcopal church look like possibilities as well.

I thought I would join FBC Missoula (ABC) when we looked into moving there. The pastor is a Campbell and Carson-Newman grad.
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Re: I Like This Church Model!

Postby Bruce Gourley » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:37 am

Cathy wrote:Sounds interesting to me as well, Bruce. Particularly since my kids are 12 or older.

I think Flathead county has lots more Baptists than your area. I know there are at least three SBC churches of a fair size. There are lots of independent Baptist churches as well.

First Baptist Kalispell is tiny and is short of young people so my 12 year old will probably find it a hard fit for her. On the other hand she seems willing to give it a try. The location is good for me when visiting my husband. It is close to the hospital so will be an important point in choosing a house. I know Texas Baptists that go to FBC Big Fork a GARBC church! I presently am leaning toward a house between Whitefish and Kalispell. However FBC Whitefish seems to be an independent church.

A lutheran and episcopal church look like possibilities as well.

I thought I would join FBC Missoula (ABC) when we looked into moving there. The pastor is a Campbell and Carson-Newman grad.


I think you are right about there being more Baptists in the Flathead area. I hope you guys are able to find a good church; I would like to meet the ABC pastor in Missoula.
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Re: I Like This Church Model!

Postby David Flick » Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:10 pm

To Cathy, Bruce wrote:I think you are right about there being more Baptists in the Flathead area. I hope you guys are able to find a good church; I would like to meet the ABC pastor in Missoula.

Thread drift alert: Bruce, drifting a bit here, but we (ABC) have a couple of Indian churches south and east of your old stomping ground, Billings. There's a Crow church in Lodge Grass and a Northern Cheyenne church in Lame Deer. There are a lot of Northern Cheyennes who have intermarried with Oklahoma Southern Cheyennes. My friend Jesse Howlingwater (whose story I'm telling --and need to finish-- in the Photo Story thread) was born in Lame Deer. His mother was Northern Cheyenne.
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Re: I Like This Church Model!

Postby Ed Pettibone » Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:42 pm

Cathy wrote:Sounds interesting to me as well, Bruce. Particularly since my kids are 12 or older.

I think Flathead county has lots more Baptists than your area. I know there are at least three SBC churches of a fair size. There are lots of independent Baptist churches as well.

First Baptist Kalispell is tiny and is short of young people so my 12 year old will probably find it a hard fit for her. On the other hand she seems willing to give it a try. The location is good for me when visiting my husband. It is close to the hospital so will be an important point in choosing a house. I know Texas Baptists that go to FBC Big Fork a GARBC church! I presently am leaning toward a house between Whitefish and Kalispell. However FBC Whitefish seems to be an independent church.

A lutheran and episcopal church look like possibilities as well.

I thought I would join FBC Missoula (ABC) when we looked into moving there. The pastor is a Campbell and Carson-Newman grad.


Ed: Cathay isn't First Baptist Kalispell also GARBC. While I do not know that church, my experience with GARBC folk (in Indiana) make me think I would explore the independents and even SBC churches first. I will explain; In my experience any GARB churches were as ultra conservative as any SBC church I have known, while I have known Several SBC churches that even now that are pretty middle of the road and ignore the convention for the most part, and will even allow folk to designate giving to CBF or other causes. I also know of some independent Baptist who are rather moderate but expect folk in their churches to contribute to their causes. Of course :wink: Ideally I would hope you could stumble across ABC-USA church that is involved with CBF. That would be 8) . But then perhaps, even if it is GARBC, the Church in Kalispell is not as ultraconservative as the ones I knew 20+ years ago.
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Re: I Like This Church Model!

Postby Bruce Gourley » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:20 pm

David Flick wrote:
To Cathy, Bruce wrote:I think you are right about there being more Baptists in the Flathead area. I hope you guys are able to find a good church; I would like to meet the ABC pastor in Missoula.

Thread drift alert: Bruce, drifting a bit here, but we (ABC) have a couple of Indian churches south and east of your old stomping ground, Billings. There's a Crow church in Lodge Grass and a Northern Cheyenne church in Lame Deer. There are a lot of Northern Cheyennes who have intermarried with Oklahoma Southern Cheyennes. My friend Jesse Howlingwater (whose story I'm telling --and need to finish-- in the Photo Story thread) was born in Lame Deer. His mother was Northern Cheyenne.


A former pastor of one those Crow ABC churches in now pastoring here in the Bozeman area, in fact.
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Re: I Like This Church Model!

Postby Cathy » Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:45 am

Ed: Kalispell FBC is definitely ABC. The pastor graduated from Golden Gate but I think has worked entirely with ABC. He was in Japan with ABC for 20 years. I think you haven't heard of the church because it is tiny. I think most baptists in Kalispell are SBC, independent, or other.
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Re: I Like This Church Model!

Postby Ed Pettibone » Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:42 am

Cathy wrote:Ed: Kalispell FBC is definitely ABC. The pastor graduated from Golden Gate but I think has worked entirely with ABC. He was in Japan with ABC for 20 years. I think you haven't heard of the church because it is tiny. I think most baptists in Kalispell are SBC, independent, or other.


Ed: Cathy, you should see the stack profiles that we have for tiny ABC Churches, from Oregon to Deleware. My supposition about their being GARBC came from one of those many falsities floating around in cyberspace. But the website for FBC Kalispell does state that they are American Baptist if you hunt a bit. I do wonder why they do not say so under the About Us link rather than in FAQ's. The logo on their home page found at http://www.welovejesus.net/us.htm seems to be a home generated version of the official ABC emblem. It is a good website for a "tiny" church. Note; the pastor has an M.Div. from American Baptist Seminary of the West; (an ABC-USA related school) and a Masters in Christian Education from Golden Gate owned and operated by the SBC. That is OK, My Wife and I both graduated from Southern and yet ABC- USA treats us well. :wink: I pray that it works out for you.
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