Reply to Tim; Re S. Paynter call to church planting
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:52 pm
Ed: Tim, I know I am quite late in responding to your last post in this forum dated 1/6/2014 before now I had started a few responses and deleted them
because the did not say I feel was needed. Therefore am starting a new thread
I am inclined to agree that just because there is no "BAPTIST" church in the area is not in itself a good reason to start a new congregation. And in fact Like Suzi Paynters' predecessor Danial Vestal, I am not enthused about starting CBF churches, period. For years we have said the CBF is not a denomination but what other entity plants churches. Ah! Yes independent Churches plant new churches in an area where they will not compete for members with the mother church.
No! I am not saying that CBF should not be involved in Church planting. Just not in planting CBF churches. CBF in my humble opinion needs to stick to "Enabling Baptist Churches and Individuals in being the presence of God where they are". This would include all Baptist who ask for our assistance. As I have suggested in other discussions CBF could be a great help to the ABC-USA in the expansion of our denomination in what has traditionally been seen as SBC territory. The fact Is ABC has an "ABC of the South" region the majority of their churches are Black. I am not as conversant with whatever if any, cooperation there has been between that region and CBF, as I would like to be.
On the other hand I do think I understand folk in the South who find it increasingly imposable to support a church that is hardwired to the SBC when participation in CBF automatically precludes their being active in the operation of the denomination that is where I was when we moved to Cincinnati in 1995. So I do see a need for them to establish some new Baptist churches. But why CBF Churches?
Although Trudy and I have been active CBF from it origin and the BFNE (Baptist Fellowship of the Northeast- this areas CBF presence), since coming to NY in 2002 I am disappointed that the bulk of that small group have remained basically ignorant of the ABC and present their churches as CBF churches. There is one long time female member of that group who in the past few years has taken the initiative to become the pastor of an ABC-USA church. And as I have mentioned in the past, the Dean of Students at Yale Divinity School is a participant in BFNE, he is also a member of an ABC church and a past president of the ABC-USA of Connecticut Region. In addition there is one church affiliated with BFNE that is also affiliated with the Alliance of Baptist and ABC-USA through the NYC Region. Our ABC-USA Church is a member of the New York State Region and we hosted the BFNE spring meeting a couple years ago We us the Nurturing Faith SS Material in Baptists Today, we also help support Central Seminary where Dr. Molly Marshal is President. Central is something of a hybrid ABC-USA /CBF Seminary but we are not a CBF Church.
because the did not say I feel was needed. Therefore am starting a new thread
I am inclined to agree that just because there is no "BAPTIST" church in the area is not in itself a good reason to start a new congregation. And in fact Like Suzi Paynters' predecessor Danial Vestal, I am not enthused about starting CBF churches, period. For years we have said the CBF is not a denomination but what other entity plants churches. Ah! Yes independent Churches plant new churches in an area where they will not compete for members with the mother church.
No! I am not saying that CBF should not be involved in Church planting. Just not in planting CBF churches. CBF in my humble opinion needs to stick to "Enabling Baptist Churches and Individuals in being the presence of God where they are". This would include all Baptist who ask for our assistance. As I have suggested in other discussions CBF could be a great help to the ABC-USA in the expansion of our denomination in what has traditionally been seen as SBC territory. The fact Is ABC has an "ABC of the South" region the majority of their churches are Black. I am not as conversant with whatever if any, cooperation there has been between that region and CBF, as I would like to be.
On the other hand I do think I understand folk in the South who find it increasingly imposable to support a church that is hardwired to the SBC when participation in CBF automatically precludes their being active in the operation of the denomination that is where I was when we moved to Cincinnati in 1995. So I do see a need for them to establish some new Baptist churches. But why CBF Churches?
Although Trudy and I have been active CBF from it origin and the BFNE (Baptist Fellowship of the Northeast- this areas CBF presence), since coming to NY in 2002 I am disappointed that the bulk of that small group have remained basically ignorant of the ABC and present their churches as CBF churches. There is one long time female member of that group who in the past few years has taken the initiative to become the pastor of an ABC-USA church. And as I have mentioned in the past, the Dean of Students at Yale Divinity School is a participant in BFNE, he is also a member of an ABC church and a past president of the ABC-USA of Connecticut Region. In addition there is one church affiliated with BFNE that is also affiliated with the Alliance of Baptist and ABC-USA through the NYC Region. Our ABC-USA Church is a member of the New York State Region and we hosted the BFNE spring meeting a couple years ago We us the Nurturing Faith SS Material in Baptists Today, we also help support Central Seminary where Dr. Molly Marshal is President. Central is something of a hybrid ABC-USA /CBF Seminary but we are not a CBF Church.