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Dreamers

Postby JE Pettibone » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:07 pm

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Postby JE Pettibone » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:11 am

Thank you R. L.
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Postby Haruo » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:21 am

I got a call to do so from Evergreen/ABC, well, not a call, but a post. I probably won't, because I know my congressional representatives in both houses are 100% pro-Dreamer (though not necessarily pro-Dream Act, whose terms did nothing to reverse Obama's reputation as "Deporter-in-Chief" among those who prioritize the rights of the undocumented) and I am generally opposed to calling other people's representatives to tell them how to vote, it smacks of Russian interference.

I notice NBC Inc. is on board, but not the Unincorporated or Progressive ones, at least not on the list of signatories. And Russell Moore?
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Postby Jim » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:11 am

The "dreamers" are a special case. Breaking up families, even though the responsible grownups never tried hard enough to gain citizenship, is just plain wrong. The very strict (actually no immigration for a while, especially from any Muslim country) immigration requirements should be upheld. Today can't be compared to 1830-1920 with the trite "melting-pot" argument. The nation needs brains more than brawn, of which it has a good supply (a lot of it in penitentiaries).
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Postby Haruo » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:10 pm

Jim wrote:The "dreamers" are a special case. Breaking up families, even though the responsible grownups never tried hard enough to gain citizenship, is just plain wrong. The very strict (actually no immigration for a while, especially from any Muslim country) immigration requirements should be upheld. Today can't be compared to 1830-1920 with the trite "melting-pot" argument. The nation needs brains more than brawn, of which it has a good supply (a lot of it in penitentiaries).

So are you saying the families should be deported as units, or that the lazy responsible grownups should be grandchilded in?
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Postby Jim » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:07 pm

I said nothing about deportation, only that families should not be broken up. Draw your own conclusions.
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Postby Haruo » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:34 pm

I know, but there are two ways to achieve what you said you would like to see, and I'm just asking which you prefer, or whether it should be decided on a case by case basis.
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