God is Liberal; Ed is konservative

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God is Liberal; Ed is konservative

Postby Ed Edwards » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:09 pm

Greetings. I joined Baptist Life a few years ago (in June 2005) cause I was getting ready to go to my Mother's 80th Birthday Party. She lived near Huntsville, AL and a BL member lived near there. Anyway, I came to get his phone number but got into a 9-11 'conspiracy theory' 'discussion' with him. I didn't get his phone number until after the Birthday Party :?

Anyway, I came here again to 'discuss' my Bible Version Theory:

Ed's Axiom:
All competent English Versions are (individually and collectively )
the Written Word of God, God's inerrant, inspired, and perfect
Holy Word preserved for the time of the Version's publication.


Ed's Corollary:
Any conflicts that appear to exist between the same or different
English Versions can be resolved by individual or collective Competent Souls.
The seeming conflicted variation is NOT GOD'S FAULT but God uses
it to enhance Human's understanding of God's Holy Written Word.
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Re: God is Liberal; Ed is konservative

Postby Haruo » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:16 pm

I agree.

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Re: God is Liberal; Ed is konservative

Postby Ed Edwards » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:26 pm

God is Liberal:

Rom 10:12-13 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):
For there is no difference betweene the Iewe and the Grecian: for he that is Lord ouer all, is rich vnto all, that call on him.
13 For whosoeuer shall call vpon the Name of the Lord, shalbe saued.



Ed is Conservative:

Col 2:16 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):
Let no man therefore condemne you in meate and drinke, or in respect of an holy day, or of the newe moone, or of the Sabbath dayes,
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Re: God is Liberal; Ed is konservative

Postby Ed Edwards » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:45 pm

In my local Baptist church (since 1973 a member there - 35 years = over half my life)
with a Sunday Morning Worship attendance averaging 140, year round:
I am the Head Usher. But I found out a couple of weeks ago I'm actually supposed to be
the Head hUSHER. Shhh!, now ... be quiet!

(P.S) I'm also an ordained Deacon. I'm the Sunday School of the men 30-59 (new members who don't want to be in a couples class) who are actually men 58 to 69 (I guess the ones who put up with me?) Anyway, most of the men 30-59 are either teaching, in the Adults couples class or the Adults mixed /both men and women that the preacher teaches/. Anyway, I run 5 or 6 each Sunday Morning except in hunting season when a couple of my men are gone (they are both /pardon the pun/ 'out standing in their field' on Sunday morning.) I also council those who 'come forth to make a decision' at the invitation time.

I'm the Back-up Men's Baptism helper (the guy who pulls the Pastor up the stairs out of the Baptismal) I'm the Back-up head councilor. If we need a new staff member (not the head pastor) then I'm with the Personnel committee that gets one to present to the church.

I was married to the Pianist till she died of cancer in 1999. In 2002 I married the Organist.
In August 2001, like now I was posting bulletin boards (bbs). I made an agreement with God that He would have the one meant for me (partner & spouse for my old age) send me an e-mail. The Organist sent me an e-mail. She was in my Mother's class. Mother said it was alright to court her, her son said it was alright to court her. At our age (near & over 60) it took 24 dates JUST FOR HISTORY :D
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Re: God is Liberal; Ed is konservative

Postby Dave Roberts » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:44 pm

That makes for an interesting courtship story. Welcome!
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Re: God is Liberal; Ed is konservative

Postby Ed Edwards » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:58 pm

In our church, as you face the choir & pulpit, the Piano is at the left and the Organ is at the right. After my Piano wife died, I still set on the Piano side. But when later I began to formally court the Organist, i changed sides of the church :brick:

Things are different on the other side of the church, you know.
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Re: God is Liberal; Ed is konservative

Postby Chris » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:08 am

Ed Edwards wrote: After my Piano wife died, I still set on the Piano side. But when later I began to formally court the Organist, i changed sides of the church


In 1964, I tried to court the organist at my church. We were both in eary 20s. She wouldn't have anything to do with me. I hope you have better luck.
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Re: God is Liberal; Ed is konservative

Postby Haruo » Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:36 pm

Chris wrote:
Ed Edwards wrote: After my Piano wife died, I still set on the Piano side. But when later I began to formally court the Organist, i changed sides of the church


In 1964, I tried to court the organist at my church. We were both in eary 20s. She wouldn't have anything to do with me. I hope you have better luck.

He has, he has. They're married.

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Re: God is Liberal; Ed is konservative

Postby Ed Edwards » Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:18 pm

I've been on public bulletin boards (bbs) for 24 years now (and on private bbs before, remember the public Internet evolved from the private ARPANET - a connection of Military contracting persons and contractors). Needless to say, the ARPANET wasn't quite as free-for-all-ing as the Internet :D

Here is my strangest of my board kick-offs that happened back in 2002
(yes, I've been admin of boards where I've kicked off people)
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abbreavs:
AV - authorized version
KJV - King James Version
KJV1611 - King James Version 1611AD edition
KJV1769 - King James Version 1769AD edition
KJV1873 - King James Version 1873AD edition
KJB - King James Bible, usually KJV1769
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On a Bulletin board that says:

This is an independent, fundamental Baptist discussion board that accepts the 'King James Bible (AV 1611)' as the perfect word of God and the final authority in all matters of faith and practice.

I posted this:

Romanes X:9 (KJV1611):
That if thou shalt confesse with
thy mouth the Lord Iesus, and shalt
beleeue in thing heart, that God hath
raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saued.


It was edited out with this note:

"Note: Quotations from all other Bibles deleted
by the administrator."

The quote of the same verse from KJV1873 was
allowed to remain.

Tee hee, a KJB1611 site that
doesn't accept quotes from
the KJV1611. Tee hee.
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And here is what was posted from the
administrator of that site
on a neutral site where the above appeared:
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Dear Mr. Edwards,

Laugh now while you have the chance.
You came to our discussion board knowing
our stand on the King James Bible and
yet you decided to stir up a little trouble.
You quoted Romans 10:9 from many different
bible versions trying to prove that
they all stated the same thing.
In the middle you used King James Bibles
from 1611, 1769, and 1873 trying to
make it look like they were all different.
The deletion was to get rid of your redundancy
as well as your quotes from modern versions.
So laugh all you want to because
I am banning you from our board.

/name suppressed/
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Tee hee, a KJB1611 site that bans KJV1611 quoters ???
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Re: God is Liberal; Ed is konservative

Postby Haruo » Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:17 am

Tee hee, a KJB1611 site that bans KJV1611 quoters ???

Well, sure, you blasphemously altered God's B to make it look like a Satanic V.

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Re: God is Liberal; Ed is konservative

Postby Ed Edwards » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:31 pm

Well God altered my face from that of a Babe to an old man. See My facebook at:

http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?re ... =726367623

And may God have mercy upon your souls :D
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Re: God is Liberal; Ed is konservative

Postby JaneFordA » Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:20 pm

Ed Edwards wrote:Well God altered my face from that of a Babe to an old man. See My facebook at:

http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?re ... =726367623

And may God have mercy upon your souls :D


Very nice, Ed! :)
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Re: God is Liberal; Ed is konservative

Postby Ed Edwards » Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:56 pm

I barely scratched the surface defending my trailer/signature. Here is a sort of testimony:

Another time, another venue //Also the biggest issue here is not nessasarily what manuscript
it came from, but wether the translaters used that manuscript
in the way God intended it. I can take a manuscript of anything
I want and change it anyway I want. If you want
to know if the Bible you are using is correct or
not then look at BOTH.//

Unfortunately there are those who **** my last three Bibles:

NIV = New Internatinal Version
nKJV = New King James Bible
HCSB = Christian Standard Bible (Holman, 2003)

without checking the translators or the source manuscript
in sufficient detail to make a rational judgement.
Thus they **** my Bible with unrighteous judgment -- I
don't want to be in their shoes.

The Old Testament (OT) requirement was two or more witnesses.
"One Book Only"-ism negates the OT requirement to have two
or more witnesses.

To have mulitple Bible witnesses,
I've got a paper Bible with these four side-by-side:

KJV1873 Edition = standard King James Version
NIV = New International Version
NASB = New American Standard Bible
NLT = New Living Translation


To have mulitple Bible witnesses,
I've got an electronic Bible from e-sword.com that has these
three witnesses side-by-side:

Geneva Bible (1587)
KJV1769 Edition with Strong's Numbers
KJV1611 Edition


Having used the KJV1769 as my primary Bible in excess
of 34 of my 54 years of Chrisitanhood, I am more familiar with
the wording and spelling of the KJV1769 than any other
witness.


A short history of Ed and the KJV1611 Edition.
Here are the definitions I suggested before:

1611 KJV - A Bible called 'The King James Version (KJV)' translated from
1605 to 1611 and lightly edited into dozens of versions since.

KJV1611 Edition - Specific editions of the KJV published in 1611
(there were several, about the third of which is being reprinted
in the 20-oughts by Henderson & Nelson.

In the early 90s I went to the Bible Museum in Eureka Springs,
Arkansas. They have several ancient KJVs including an
Adultar's Bible (the 7th commandment is, OOPS!, 'thou shalt commit
adultery' :) )
Across the street in the book store they were selling photocopies
of pages of the KJVs (Gothic print and all). I bought a couple
of pages. I though my Daughter, in the Norman, Oklahoma
Authorian Order of Avalon (AOA), would be interested in a
nearly mideival Gothic font Bible.

I thought I might see if there were any reprints of the
original KJV1611 Edition around - there weren't any.
I got on the internet (or whatever proto-internet might have
been handy). I did a search of "1611" and "KJV" using the then
search engines (might take 45 minutes to do a whole search,
and one payed for the connection then BY THE MINUTE.)
I found out, nobody who uses 'KJV' and '1611' in their
web page name uses the KJV1611 Edition Bible.
There were only about 80 such sites then, only 1 or 2 of which
even knew (or would admit) of the existance of a KJV1611 Edition
different from the KJV1769 in common use.
I had done run into the proto-hyper-KJVO movement's
deception (often self-deception) about the Bibles, the KJVs,
and the Received Texts.

Phillip: //Then there is the question of whether or not the KJV
or the Modern Versions use the best textual basis.
This can be debated all night, but then again, there
is no difference in doctrine between the KJV
and the mainstream "accepted" modern versions.//

Amen, Brother Phillip - Preach it! :thumbs:


Eliyahu: //The change from Iesus to Jesus or some change from
singular to plural, etc are the corrections of minor matters.//

I respectfully disagree.
Consider your personal salvation, if i change it from
singular 'salvation' to plural 'salvations' then I have
changed the basic doctrine of salvation(s). A change of
singular to plural. Read the 'one passage':
one Lord, one faith, one Baptism - NOT 'just one Bible'.

RSR: //First, the translators had been told not to insert
commentary into the translation and to stick closely
to the Bishops' Bible and other previous editions. //

Included in James instructions were commands
that "The ordinary Bible, read in the church,
commonly called the Bishop’s Bible, to be followed,
and as little altered as the original will permit"
and "No marginal notes at all to be affixed,
but only for the explanation of the Hebrew or Greek words,
which cannot, without some circumlocution,
so briefly and fitly be expressed in the text."//

Sometime along the way, it became common to drop the
'translator margin notes' concerning the Greek.
This was done likely by the unauthorized USA editions,
the printers not understanding what the margin notes meant.
But then the average literate person in the pew didn't
know what the 'translator margin notes' means and the
folks coming into the ministry straight from the
pew to the field (no training in between) didn't know
what the 'translator margin notes' were about.
Quite frankly the 'translator margin notes' in
the KJV1611 Edition Bible squash the
'God wrote only one book' movement in the bud:
the translators of the 1611 KJV used multiple witnesses
(as required by the OT).
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