seems like a differant place

[David Flick]

this doesn't seem like the same forum i came to a few months ago . i wonder what the obviously very gay flavored influence might be . i didn't respond again because the first thing that was mentioned to me in my question about the liveing creatures or cherubim mentioned in revalations was that a fellow had written a book on the subject . did he donate all his money to the church . if the cherubim are angels and are really here and occasionally seen in the wheels within wheels they are said to never part from , the saucers , i think they might be offended . did christ tell you to make as much money a possible ? i bet you can work a way around that question . its easy to manipulate words , unfortunately , but if these are angels being seen the end is near and i pity all those babtist priests and there followers who think its just fine to live in a 500,000 dollar house like one in a town in texas i know of . christ preached of God , not gold. i think most people ofall faiths now days worship gold . i'm looking forward to the cherubim , the angels closest to the throne of God , throwing into hell all those who worship gold . if you want to know who i am , i'm jack allen myers - the "piney woods flap " sound familiar ? the fbi couldn't protect me from the gays because they are throughout that office as they are sliming around your church . remember all those letters to the churches John mentioned in revelations ? i think he'd have a lot to say about the babtist church too , in the way of warnings , but its too late for all faiths because they are Gods angels and judgemant day will not have a price tag of any sort . no matter how much money you have or how good your are at twisting words , one will be taken , and one will be left to burn . only God know who until that day dawns and i promise you you will understand quickly that gold saves no body from the fire . try to remember if you call someone names , you are subject to the fires of gehena and you and alot of others considered elect are always ready to believe the lies of the secret child molesting lesbians and "gays" in your church . remember the fire , brothers , i'm tired of trying to find that redeaming grace in the money hungry , and the end is at hand .

I'm not sure who I am welcoming here. Are you "Jason Flanagan?" Or are you "Jack Allen Myers?" Either way, (whether Jason or Jack) welcome to BaptistLife.Com.

I have a question. What exactly was the point you were attempting to make in the post above?

[Haruo]

Was he Israel or Jacob? Was she Sarai or Sarah? Was he Saul or Paul? Simon or Peter? René Descartes or Renatus Cartesius? John Calvin, Jean Chauvin or Ioannes Calvinus? Young Chief Joseph or Hinmatuyalatkeht? Am I Leland or Haruo?

I do know that I am feeling some ambivalence about welcoming someone who seems to obviously marginal in his sanity, and whose post raises so many red flags about his probable ability to engage in conversation (even if I were NOT pro-gays-in-the-church)... I am wondering if maybe he's confusing this place with Baptistboard.com.

So, turning from the readers to the writer, welcome whoever you are, and is that Marysville of the Tulalips?

Haruo

[Haruo]

Actually some of our questions are at least touched on in two of the poster's posts from around Valentine's Day (there's a connection to cherubim there!) - inter alia I see that the Marysville in question is in CA.

I still find the sentences containing the word "gay(s)" troubling.

Haruo

[jerryl]

I still find the sentences containing the word "gay(s)" troubling.

Haruo

Just troubling? I find

the lies of the secret child molesting lesbians and "gays" in your church .

downright offensive.

I extend no welcome to someone who writes something like that.

jerryl

[Haruo]

I still find the sentences containing the word "gay(s)" troubling.

Haruo

Just troubling? I find

the lies of the secret child molesting lesbians and "gays" in your church .

downright offensive.

I extend no welcome to someone who writes something like that.

jerryl

Well, pretty obviously offensive, of course, but I also agree with Timothy's "I found it offensive and incoherent", and for me the incoherence (paranoid rambling by someone who perhaps has a legitimate gripe against some church pedophile) led me to "troubling" as a first modifier.

And what's the stuff about gold and $500K houses got to do with anything?

I couldn't find anything clear in Google to help me understand "the piney woods flap", and again, the notion that "the fbi couldn't protect [him] against the gays" was just loony enough to weigh against saying "offensive" off the top of my head.

But yes, much there is offensive, if muddledly so.

Haruo

[Lamar Wadsworth]

I think somebody forgot to take his meds

[ehart]

Seeing that Ed is here as well, I'm predicting this thread and a membership will be disappearing in 5, 4, 3, 2,................

[Ed Pettibone]

Ed: Mr, Myers, You paint with far too wide a brush when you attemt to address colectivly all who participate on these boards in you tirade. And you reference to "You snakes" is in this moderators opinion a direct violation of our posted rules. I am as oposed to the practice of homosexuality as you are but I am convinced that your broadbrush confrontational approach simply makes marters of practicing homosexualsanf those who support them.

[Haruo]

i wrote what i did specifically so the other silent readers could read your responses . they are much more telling than anything i could have written . God is my judge and yours you snakes , i don't need your welcome . i just wanted everyone to see what i knew must be hidden at this sight . and to practice my typing .

Most people can recognize what you wrote as lies, even if they don't believe sexually active gay people should be clergy. I will be praying for you, even after you are banned.

Haruo

[jerryl]

Jack Allen Myers,

It's pretty obvious to me that there is deep emotional pain behind your false and grotesque statements. I am sorry about your pain and sorry that you choose to lash out in this way. Your statements remind me of words of white racist segregationists in a past era that said something like "What the [insert crude word for African Americans] really want is to violate our precious, virtuous white women." You are no less hateful and no less wrong. Such statements made on a Christian forum are much like Swastikas spray painted on a Synagogue. You are in my prayers.


Chynwr,

I'm sorry you've had to see this so early into your involvement here. There are people here who deeply believe that homosexuality is a sin, and a smaller subset of those believe that homosexuality is a rather grave sin that the church should actively try to remove from peoples lives and that the church should work to reverse the tolerance of homosexuality and homosexuals that has been gaining ground in the last several years. But, none would type such things as Mr. Myers has. None are filled with this kind of irrational hate. As a reasonably long time participant here, I apologize that you have had to read this. I hope you will not think that this is a common occurrence here, and I hope to see your continued participation. And I apologise to any other new participants who were offended.


Moderators,

WHY ARE THESE HORRIBLE POSTS STILL HERE? (YES I AM YELLING!) (Haven't you got your orders from the Gay Godfather yet? [ugh '])

jerryl

[ehart]

Yes, Jerry, I am wondering why these posts are still here as well. I fully expected this topic to at the very least be locked today. I am of the camp that believes that homosexuality is a sin BUT this type of hatespeak does nothing to further the Kingdom of God. ALL people, everywhere need Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and no one will come to Jesus feet if we as Christians spend our time calling people--Christians and non-Christians alike--names. Jesus didn't win the heart of Zaccheus or anyone else by calling him/them "snakes" and being hateful to their faces. If the King of the Universe can be kind to others, shouldn't we be as well?

[Ed Pettibone]

Yes, Jerry, I am wondering why these posts are still here as well. I fully expected this topic to at the very least be locked today. I am of the camp that believes that homosexuality is a sin BUT this type of hatespeak does nothing to further the Kingdom of God. ALL people, everywhere need Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and no one will come to Jesus feet if we as Christians spend our time calling people--Christians and non-Christians alike--names. Jesus didn't win the heart of Zaccheus or anyone else by calling him/them "snakes" and being hateful to their faces. If the King of the Universe can be kind to others, shouldn't we be as well?

Ed: But Ehart, if the thread had been locked we would not have your comments.

And as Haruo wrote to Mr. Myers, "Most people can recognize what you wrote as lies, even if they don't believe sexually active gay people should be clergy."

[jerryl]

Ed: But Ehart, if the thread had been locked we would not have your comments.

And as Haruo wrote to Mr. Myers, "Most people can recognize what you wrote as lies, even if they don't believe sexually active gay people should be clergy."

Ed, this stuff needs to be GONE. I'll cut you some slack, since you may not be authorized or want to get in to the technical stuff of removing or at least editing heavily the offending posts. As for the other moderators, I'll assume since this is Friday, they may well be polishing their sermons for Sunday morning. But the clock is ticking.

It is continued exposure to this sort of hate that erodes the self-worth of LGBT youth, and sometimes drives them to self-medication and suicide. Its the belief in this sort of tripe by the parents of LGBT youth that drives these young people out into the street where they often turn to selling drugs or selling themselves as a way of getting by. It is the misunderstanding that this sort of hate is embraced by a large part of society that helps some LGBT young adults justify not investing in their future, not valuing themselves, and living only for the moment of alcohol, drugs, and causal sex. It was this sort of hate that put LGBT people in Nazi death camps. It is this is the sort of hate, repeated over and over, that drives some LGBT people to despair and ultimately toward spiritual or physical self destruction. I'm with the Jewish people on this one; NEVER AGAIN. Thank God that over the last few years a general change of attitude in the western world has made the west a safer place for LGBT people.

Now if Mr. Myers had made similar accusations against Baptist pastors, both male and female; that they routinely had sex with minors, pimped young people, distributed illegal drugs, and had secret organizations that used fear and intimidation to silence these 'facts', how long would this thread have stayed in public view?

jerryl

[Ed Pettibone]

Ed: But Ehart, if the thread had been locked we would not have your comments.

And as Haruo wrote to Mr. Myers, "Most people can recognize what you wrote as lies, even if they don't believe sexually active gay people should be clergy."

Jerryl

Ed, this stuff needs to be GONE. I'll cut you some slack, since you may not be authorized or want to get in to the technical stuff of removing or at least editing heavily the offending posts. As for the other moderators, I'll assume since this is Friday, they may well be polishing their sermons for Sunday morning. But the clock is ticking.

Now if Mr. Myers had made similar accusations against Baptist pastors, both male and female; that they routinely had sex with minors, pimped young people, distributed illegal drugs, and had secret organizations that used fear and intimidation to silence these 'facts', how long would this thread have stayed in public view?

jerryl

Ed: Jerry, you are going to cut me some slack for what? If you are bothered that I did not delete the post that you object to by, Myers or what ever his name is, that is your problem. I did reply to him and informed him that his post was inappropriate. As for your speculation that "since you may not be authorized or want to get in to the technical stuff of removing or at least editing heavily the offending posts", I have the same capability of editing and or deleting post post as any of the other moderators, the process is not highly technical.

And I will ask on what evidance do you suggest that "if Myers had made similar accusations against Baptist pastors..." his comments would have been deleated any sooner? I am some what surprised at your speculations since you normaly are one of the more reliable participants on these boards.

[jerryl]

Sorry to be absent Jerry. I'll deal with Mr. Meyers posts etc.

I'm afraid I'm not always able to be here so, there can be gaps. David and I try to fill them between us but, it doesn't always work.

I apologize a bit, but for all that money I pay Bruce to waste time on this board, and considering the extravagant salaries Bruce pays you, David, Ed, William, and Joshua, I expect more timely service. (Said with a wink, nod, and a hug.)

Ain't volunteering a pain sometimes...
Ain't I a pain sometimes...
And I'm sure your parishioners never want any of your time.

jerryl

[jerryl]

And I will ask on what evidance do you suggest that "if Myers had made similar accusations against Baptist pastors..." his comments would have been deleated any sooner? I am some what surprised at your speculations since you normaly are one of the more reliable participants on these boards.

Sorry Ed, I apologize about the speculating. But the unwarranted accusation of all gays being innate pedophiles is one that I've personally been sensitised to. Let's just say, it's one reason I'm a urban dweller and not a suburbanite.

jerryl

[Haruo]

Oy gevalt. See you in heaven, to our mutual amazement.

Haruo

[Haruo]

I reported this one. I have a long-standing policy of not advocating the banning of forum participants, but I think this thread exemplifies a case where I think banning is called for. Phelps West, I think he comes across as. And I see no evidence of any effort on his part to engage in discussion or dialogue, not even at Wilkey's level of presence.

Haruo

[ehart]

I agree. Thank you, Haruo, for reporting this. Phelps West, I reckon.

[Haruo]

Thanks, Timothy. It feels better already. Remind me to watch out if I ever drive through Marysville, CA.

I hope we will all pray for his restoration to shalom.

Haruo