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Postby Howard Kopsho » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:20 am

I am a Catholic who received Christ as Savior during an Altar Call at my brothers Non Denominational Church in 1999. I do not believe in Purgatory. I do not believe that the Pope is infallible. I do not believe in praying the second half of the Hail Mary Prayer(I still pray the first half because the first half comes from the Gospel of Saint Luke and thus the first half is scriptural) because the second half is not from the Bible. I do not believe that Baptism results in salvation(I still believe in Infant Baptism as well as Adult Baptism but I consider Baptism to be just a dedication of infants and adults to Christ. I still believe that Baptism is one of the 7 Sacraments that Christ instituted). I do not go to Individual Confession(I only go to Communal Reconciliation Service where everybody confesses their sins directly to Christ. I still believe that Confession, Communal Reconciliation and not Individual Confession is one of the 7 Sacraments that Christ instituted). I still believe that Confession is the impartation of the Holy Spirit on the Confirmation candidate and I still believe that Confirmation is one of the 7 Sacraments that Christ instituted. I still believe that Holy Communion is one of the 7 Sacraments that Christ instituted(I do not believe that the bread and wine are the actual body and blood of Christ but instead I accept the Lutheran doctrine concerning Holy Communion wherein Christ is present in and with and under the elements of bread and wine but the bread and wine remain bread and wine and are not transformed into the actual body and blood of Christ). I still believe that Marriage is one of the 7 Sacraments that Christ instituted. I still believe that Holy Ordination is one of the 7 Sacraments that Christ instituted. I still believe that Anointing of the Sick is one of the 7 Sacraments that Christ instituted(I do not believe that it remits sins. I believe that it is just for healing of the sick). I do not believe that the Mass is a sacrifice. I do not believe in praying to the Virgin Mary and the Saints for intercessory prayer because the Bible states that Christ is the only mediator and intercessor between God and man. I do not believe that the Catholic Church is the only True Church. I believe that the Eastern Orthodox Church, Mainline Protestant Churches and Fundamentalist Protestant Churches are also True Churches because they also believe in the Deity of Christ, the Holy Trinity and the other historic Christian doctrines. During Mass when everybody else states 'We acknowledge one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins' I remain silent and I do not make that statement. During Mass when everybody else states 'And I ask the blessed Mary ever virgin, all the angels and saints' I remain silent and I do not make that statement. During Mass when everybody else states ' May the Lord accept this sacrifice at your hand, for the praise and glory of His name, for our good and the good of all His church' I remain silent and I do not make that statement. During the Eucharistic Prayer when the intercession of the Virgin Mary and the Saints is mentioned I do not pay attention to that. The following parts of the Mass are scriptural and are the parts that I participate in:(1)The Sign of the Cross,(2)Apostles and Nicene Creeds,(3)Lord's Prayer,(4)Prayers to Christ and (5)Eucharistic Prayer(Except for mentioning the intercession of the Virgin Mary and the Saints) that contains the words of Christ from the Last Supper. I still have a statue of the Virgin Mary, pirctures of Saints, a couple of Crucifixes, a couple of pictures of Christ, a Catholic Rosary and an Eastern Orthodox Rosary. I have no plans to get rid of them since I do not pray to or bow down to them and besides one of the Crucifixes is a family heirloom that belonged to my Grandparents, one of the pictures of Christ belonged to my Great Aunt who was an Eastern Orthodox and the Eastern Orthodox Rosary belonged to my Great Aunt who was an Eastern Orthodox. When the Rosary is prayed in church before some funerals I only pray the first half of the Hail Mary Prayer, the Lord's Prayer and the Glory Be Prayer(Prayer to the Holy Trinity). :)
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Hello to Howard

Postby Prentice Fox » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:31 am

Welcome, Howard. I hope you are still there. You signed on some months ago with no response from these "Babbling Baptist Blowhards(?) . You may have startled some of them with your liturgical background and continuing adherence to some of the old traditions. I have been in ecumenical settings most of my adult life, and I have great appreciation for some of your Catholic strengths, just as Martin Luther did (and he wound up retaining portions of the Catholic Liturgy.) You view of The Eucharist, is one that has always had great appeal for me; and indeed Christ is present in the Sacrament (we call it "ordinance") of Communion. Zwingli and Martin had a lot of agreement on their dialogue about The Lord's supper in Marburg. Howard, You have a long succession of statements of belief here on this and that and the other. Would you settle for just the Apostle's Creed or the Nicene Creed? The most important thing is that you have come to personal faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. I hope you can post and share more with us. UNCLE PRENTICE.
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Re: Hello

Postby Ed Pettibone » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:30 am

Ed: Prent, did you read Howard K's post of 1:59 P.M. on July18, 2006?

I am not sure who you are calling blowhards but it boarders on being a violation of our forum rules. I am betting you have heard the old adage; "It is better to let sleeping dogs lie." Please don't go dredging up skeletons that have been in the archives for more than twice as long as you have been here, unless it happens to be some one with whom you have had experience in another venue . On the other hand we are glad to have folk return even after an extended absence, on their own, or with the prompting of those who interacted with them on these boards.
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Re: Hello

Postby Prentice Fox » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:30 am

No, Ed. I didn't read any post of Howard's that he made before his Hello last October. I knew nothing about Howard than what I saw on his Hello post. I just assumed it was one of his first posts I only saw Howard's post "Hello" post of Oct. 2006. I did not realize that he had posted earlier than his Hello or since then. I just noticed that no one had welcomed him, and he came from a different background than most of us, and I responded to his Catholic orientation (With which I have some degree of familiarity.) Nothing else. So, what's the problem? . What forum and what thread did Howard post in? The "BLOWHARD" was just a pleasant dysphemism to describe some of the action that goes on here. I include myself in that group. I will edit it if you desire. I have already edited my "Low Libido Status" at Flick's requests. Keep me informed of any other "violations.". Ed: who are "these skeletons that have been in the archives twice as long as I have been here?" Could you introduce me? Read my welcome. 99% of it was a sincere welcome to Howard's sign on, since no other Forum member had taken time to do it in 8 months. Which rule of the forums have I violated? PRENTICE.p.s. Ed, Have you read fox's prayer request for me? and his essentially calling my grandmother a "bitch or a "ho'? It is toward the last post on Snyder Pastor thread, in the BF&P Forum, and desecrates both my Pastor and my Grandmother. I hope you have a cool day there in North Creek. It is going to be another 100+ degrees here. But, tomorrow, I leave for Anchorage, AK. and the temps there today are 48-64. I used to ski there at Gore Mountain just up the road from you. UNCLE PRENTICE.
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I CHECKED HOWARD'S RECORD JUST NOW

Postby Prentice Fox » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:19 am

PRIOR TO MY WELCOME to him, I had read nothing else of his. I know nothing of the content of those 7 posts I see that he had made. His last post, I believe was Jan 2007. There was some obvious heavy debate and some personal fingerpointing involved there;; for Ed to jump down on me so heavily regarding my welcome post. If there are other sign-in posts I should avoid in the future, please let me know. I jumped in the pond, and didn't know about all the rocks on the bottom. I knew nothing of the past history of his time or post history on the board.. I was totally unaware of what Howard said or anyone said to Howard. I saw just now that one of his opening lines was about Frank Page; and that is all I saw. Ed, would it have been better for you to give me a little info about a thread gone bad, rather than to wrongly assume that I knew about it and falsely accuse me?? Don't take the "Blowhard" assessment too personal. My understanding is a "B... is a lot of hot air, myself included." Is Howard's brief time on the board the skeleton you spoke of? If so, I don't know the skeleton and I don't need to. UNCLE PRENTICE.
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Re: Hello

Postby Ed Pettibone » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:24 pm

UNCLE PRENTICE wrote:No, Ed. I didn't read any post of Howard's that he made before his Hello last October. I knew nothing about Howard than what I saw on his Hello post. I just assumed it was one of his first posts I only saw Howard's post "Hello" post of Oct. 2006. I did not realize that he had posted earlier than his Hello or since then. I just noticed that no one had welcomed him, and he came from a different background than most of us, and I responded to his Catholic orientation (With which I have some degree of familiarity.) Nothing else. So, what's the problem? . What forum and what thread did Howard post in? The "BLOWHARD" was just a pleasant dysphemism to describe some of the action that goes on here. I include myself in that group. I will edit it if you desire. I have already edited my "Low Libido Status" at Flick's requests. Keep me informed of any other "violations.". Ed: who are "these skeletons that have been in the archives twice as long as I have been here?" Could you introduce me? Read my welcome. 99% of it was a sincere welcome to Howard's sign on, since no other Forum member had taken time to do it in 8 months. Which rule of the forums have I violated? PRENTICE.p.s. Ed, Have you read fox's prayer request for me? and his essentially calling my grandmother a "bitch or a "ho'? It is toward the last post on Snyder Pastor thread, in the BF&P Forum, and desecrates both my Pastor and my Grandmother. I hope you have a cool day there in North Creek. It is going to be another 100+ degrees here. But, tomorrow, I leave for Anchorage, AK. and the temps there today are 48-64. I used to ski there at Gore Mountain just up the road from you. UNCLE PRENTICE.


ED: You really did not respond to Howard K's Catholic orientation, you responded to what you assumed to be his Catholic orientation. The term blow hard is insulting however it is used. There are indeed some here but you lumped us all in that pile of manure. There is in fact no "rule about" addressing folk who are no longer here but in my experience it is fruitless. No I have not read fox prayer request I did see where David informed him of his crudeness.
P.S, The welcome forum is not the place to discuss your family feud.
Temperature here at the foot of Gore, today is 61%.
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Re: Hello

Postby Prentice Fox » Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:34 am

My mistake, Ed. I did not know that this person was no longer here or any thing at all about his past posts. Another newcomer like me might make the same mistake I did. I only saw hat he had signed in, and no one greeted him. Maybe you should put a lock on it, so no one else makes the same mistake I made. I responded, based on what he said to his Catholic allusions. All I had to go with was the printed word. I could not read his mind or any past board history.( The Oxford English Dictionary defines "Blowhard": "A person who blusters and boasts in an unpleasant way." I am complying with Flick's Instruction on family feuds. 49 degrees at 6:00 AM here in Alaska this morning. I am suffering from jet lag.. four hours different here than in NC. PRENTICE
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